This is going to be a longer post and it’s an important one.

That’s because I’m revising my stance on phenibut. While it can certainly be used for a variety of reasons, for a large amount of people phenibut is probably not going to be effective in the long-term. That’s why I’m here to clarify on what phenibut REALLY is and how to really use it. Avoid the mistakes of others.

Again, this is only for certain types of users. I still believe millions of people over the world could put phenibut to good use. If you use alcohol, for example, you can certainly benefit from phenibut even more.

This post will cater to both old and new users of phenibut. You might just learn why you are still dependent on the drug and have nothing to show for it.

A dieting pill?

You ought to know by now that the key to “dieting” is to eat more whole foods and cut down on carbohydrates.

Yet phenibut is sold as a “dieting” drug in America. Actually several nootropics and stimulants have the same effect phenibut does of making you desire food less. Adderall comes to mind, since it’s the last thing my dog took. Or “phentermine,” a drug actually sold for that purpose, which I fed to my penguin.

Let me make it clear: phenibut is NOT a “nutritional supplement.” And that is because using phenibut for this purpose only demonstrates a lack of understanding on dieting and a lack of understanding on how phenibut works.

Guess what:

Phenibut is sold as a psychoactive compound in Russia. It’s been used over there for decades to treat different conditions like insomnia and–you guessed it–anxiety.

Why it’s not really a dieting pill

Because eating less–starving yourself–is not really an effective weight loss solution. Especially if you are dependent on phenibut to do it. How many people online have misused phenibut by going over the recommended dose (500mg 3x a week) and had problems to show for it?

I personally suggest 1g every other day but that is because I don’t use phenibut for dieting. I used–and still occasionally use it–for one thing: to solve a specific problem.

If you want to lose weight, like I said: stop eating foods like fast food and start excercising. Trying to fast all day by using a pyschoactive compound is just stupid. It’s no wonder it’s never talked about for that purpose.

This cute blond burns calories by screaming all day


So what is this specific problem?

A tool, not a cure

Phenibut is a treatment. It’s powerful anti-anxiety and euphoric properties make it ideal to be used as a performance-enhancer. But earlier on this website I’ve talked about phenibut being used to treat depression. I’ve since come to a conclusion about it.

While phenibut CAN be used for depression, most people will NOT succeed that way.

*I* did, but that is only because I *already* had the desire to get up, stay out of bed, and fix things.

NOT a recreational drug

It’s no surprise to me that a LOT of people (at least online) use phenibut as a recreational drug, like marijuana. They’re not using it to solve a problem. They’re taking it because it makes them feel good and temprorarily removes their anxiety.

Some users in forums have literally discussed sitting around at home by themselves, overdosing on purpose just to “kick back and relax.”

Just sitting at home in the rain, overdosing on a psychoactive compound for no reason


These people will forever have anxiety and depression AND will be hooked on the drug–until they change something.

For one thing, if you’re depressed and using phenibut, and you begin to sleep, you’re going to be in for a world of hurt. In “Sleep on Phenibut” i already described how it was a poor idea to use phenibut for sleep because it has a high tolerance and you end up being too tired/feeling too worn out afterward.

I also said NEVER to use phenibut and take a nap.

And people with depression have a tendency to sleep, sleep, sleep–sometimes all day. Phenibut will only make that worse, unless they make the conscious decision to get up.

I’ve already talked about the people who overdose and misuse the drug. But it occurs to me now why so many “horror” stories for phenibut exist and why people who have used it never got over their anxiety in the first place.

Like I said, I already talked about it, but I’m going to say it again:

They don’t actually want to solve their anxiety.

They’d rather be lazy and rely on the drug to somehow magically “fix” them even though that is absolutely NOT what phenibut does.

If phenibut gradually removed anxiety or depression over time, then it would be a WAY different story.

But the fact of the matter is this:

If you want to solve your anxiety or depression, you MUST undergo some type of exposure therapy program. Even if you make it up as you go.

For depressed users, that means you’ve GOT to force yourself to get up, even if you feel like shit, and do stuff. Slowly, gradually, in steps… you begin to feel better.

How to REALLY cure depression with phenibut

You get up, no matter how you feel. You take phenibut. Then you force yourself to stay busy the entire day, even if you don’t feel like it. Eventually the phenibut will kick in and you will feel much more motivated and have less anxiety.

As long as you don’t sleep or nap during this period, it can help.

It’d be best to go meet people, even if you don’t know them. Talking to people is cathartic.

Sometimes just spending the day with family, friends, or random strangers can remove whatever worries you had that started the depression in the first place.

Even though he feels like shit, this depressed guy is going to go socialize anyway


“But wait! I can’t talk to people I don’t know!”

On phenibut you can. It may be temporary, but THAT is why you also do the following:

Exposure therapy to beat anxiety

After having anxiety for years I can tell you that no one single thing or solution will solve this immense problem.

But that’s actually a relief.

You DO NOT have to have some sort of “immense solution” to match this immense problem. You just start small and work your way up.

A GREAT start for anybody, old or new to this concept, is to just start saying “Hi” to people on a daily basis. Teachers, women, men, cops, firefighters, CEOs, etc. It doesn’t matter.

Brooklyn Bridge
This guy is using phenibut to his maximum advantage


99.999/100 times absolutely nothing bad will happen.

If you make a conscious effort to do that every day, your anxiety will start to drop. You’ll notice talking to people isn’t that bad. People aren’t out to get you.

This sets the stage for further steps: starting a conversation, making comments, asking someone for directions, etc.

That’s all “exposure therapy” is. It’s just small steps, putting yourself in social situations or talking to people, until you get over your anxiety/depression (which are often linked).

But here is what you CANNOT do:

– Sit at home, on the couch, and take 3x the recommended dose to “kick back” and relax all day.

– Take 3g at night, at 3am, when it doesn’t benefit you at all and you ought to be out socializing or something, blatantly overdosing and setting yourself up for severe dependency

– Take more than 1g for any reason (to avoid dependency)

– Use phenibut for a short or long period of time, never do any kind of therapy or work to get over your anxiety, and then continue to have MAJOR anxiety and only be capable of talking to people on internet forums and complaining all day about how bad your social anxiety “DISORDER” is and how you can’t seem to overcome it…

…hmm. I wonder why?

Even these sober people are out socializing in the rain


This post is going to turn some people off and hurt their feelings. But that is exactly who this post is for.

If you’re sitting at home, and you’ve tried phenibut, and you still have anxiety or a “social anxiety disorder” then this post is for you.

Phenibut wasn’t the problem. Other drugs weren’t the problem.

YOU have to do something about it.


  1. ak

    I get what you mean. Wallowing about in self pity and shutting yourself in all day and actively avoiding people isn’t doing anything other than making it worse.
    I joined bodybuilding. com in the past and although a lot of it is piss taking, the some of the guys in there were really good when I had a break up in motivating me and making me feel like I needed to “keep fighting” so to speak. And it got me through a hard break up pretty damn well tbh.
    And that’s what I’m starting to think it’s about. Keep fighting, have a belief in yourself and know you can and will do better and to keep going.

    Like I said on YouTube, I intend to use phenibut for as a social lubricant sometimes, for the bit of a “kick up the ass” it seems to give. From that I intend to keep talking to people even on days when I’ve not had it, keep acting like I was on it and over time hopefully I’ll learn a new behaviour, won’t be so scared of interacting with people I’m shy around.
    I’ll keep following your posts. You seem to have a good way of thinking about all of this.

    1. “keep acting like I was on it”

      This is actually very true. While anxiety goes away the more you expose yourself, you can also put yourself into the same headspace you felt when on it.

      It’s called “biofeedback.”

  2. Gary McMillion

    I agree 1000% with incorporating “exposure therapy” while using phenibut; both part of an effective tool kit. And just saying something simple like “hello” to people. The anti-anxiety properties of phenibut make it so much easier & natural to do so, so one ‘comes across’ much better while speaking. Let’s face it, how you come across to other people is a major factor in social interactions.

    But I am pleasantly surprised — floored, actually — at the antidepressant properties of phenibut. This I didn’t expect. I used to wake up with this crushing feeling of, ‘My life means nothing; I have nothing to look forward to’. (Normally, as I got my day going that horrible feeling would go away. But that initial morning feeling was really bad.) This feeling of worthlessness has totally disappeared while using phenibut, on a daily dosing regimen, for social anxiety.

    I wake up feeling really optimistic, refreshed & raring to go. No more feelings of dread when I wake up. And this is even before I take my first dose of the day. Again, a totally unexpected benefit of phenibut. I cannot praise enough the antidepressant effect of phenibut.

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